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#2841
Posted 2009. February 18. - 20:08

#2842
Posted 2009. February 18. - 16:48

Hello! Van valahol olyan leírás, ami a vázgeométriáról szól? Hogy a csövek hossza, kialakítása, szöge milyen tulajdonságokat eredményez? Pl. A hosszú, ejtett felsõcsõ vs. rövidebb, feljebb lévõ? Szeretnék képben lenni, plusz fontos lenne 2 váz közti döntésben, régi 2004es merida mission elite (rövidebb, magasabban végzõdõ felsõcsõ) vs. 2008 merida mission 3000D(ejtett felsõcsõ, hoszabb). THX
Mountain Bike Geometry: An Overview
Geometry is something you hear about all the time when talking about bikes such as, "I love this bike's geometry!" or "Our bikes' geometry are the best in the business..." But what is geometry, and what makes it "good"? If you are a bit confused as to what exactly geometry is, then this blog should clear up any misconceptions you may have.
Introduction
Geometry is the set of all the measurements on a bike. Every angle and tube length is a part of a bike's overall geometry. Geometry affects the feel of a bike more than anything else. This is why you can't take a cross country bike and turn it into a downhill bike. No matter how bombproof you build it, it will still feel out of place and awkward because the geometry is geared towards cross country.
Headtube Angle
The headtube angle is the angle the headtube forms with the ground. The steeper this angle is, the faster a bike will turn and the better it will climb. A slacker angle provides for slower steering and is a bit harder to climb with but provides stability at higher speeds. A typical cross country bike will have a steep headtube angle, usually around 71 degrees. A downhill bike on the other hand, will have a much slacker angle, closer to 65 degrees.
Wheelbase
The wheelbase is the distance from axle to axle. The longer it is, the more stable the ride will be. However, this added stability sacrifices maneuverability, especially at lower speeds. Conversely a shorter wheelbase will handle quicker and livelier. It will also make a bike easier to spin. Longer wheelbases tend to be found on downhill bikes because they benefit greatly from the added stability. The Demo 8, for instance, has a 47 inch wheelbase. Street bikes benefit more from the agility of a shorter wheelbase. For example, the NS Suburban has a 40.75" wheelbase.
Chainstay Length
The length of a bike's chainstays directly affects its wheelbase length which affects maneuverability and stability; thus shorter chainstays make for a snappier ride. Shortened stays also make a bike easier to manual, hop, and pop. Short stays also make a bike easier to control in the air. This is why short chainstays are a must have for dirt jumping and street bikes. Shorter chainstays also leave less room for flex, causing immediate power delivery to the rear wheel. For reference, the Session 88 DH has 17.3" stays whereas a Dobermann Pinscher's stays can get as short as 14.75" with the wheel slammed.
Standover Height
The standover height is basically, the inseam of a bike. Low standover heights are sought after in all disciplines of mountain biking simply because no one likes taking hits to the crown jewels. Slipping a pedal often ends in tragedy for the male genitalia; a lower standover height reduces the chances of this occurring. Dirtjumpers and slopestyle riders also prefer lower standover heights because it makes certain tricks, such as cans, easier. Shorter seat tubes tend to have lower standover but this is not always the case. Recent advancements in hydroforming (essentially bending) aluminum tubes have lead to a dramatic decrease in standover heights in newer model bikes. Giant, Specialized, Santa Cruz, and Norco's new lineups are great examples of this new trend.
Bottom Bracket Height
Bottom bracket height is most important when it comes to cornering. The lower the bottom bracket, the lower the center of gravity and the easier a bike will corner. However, clearance is also an issue. If the bottom bracket is too low, then the cranks, pedals, and bottom bracket shell will be prone to hitting rocks and other trail obstacles. Also, the bottom bracket height lowers as a bike moves through its travel. Part of the reason 14 inch travel bikes never caught on is because the bottom brackets had to be placed ridiculously high so that the cranks wouldn't hit the ground when the linkage compressed. This made these bikes incredibly unstable through corners and relatively useless for anything other than hucking. This is also the reason why some frames can be run with a 24 inch wheel option while others cannot.
Top Tube Length
This is the length between the center of the seat tube and the center of the head tube, as the crow flies (a straight line, ignoring any curves in the actual top tube). Shortening it can lead to a shorter wheel base. The ideal top tube length varies from user to user. Larger frames have longer top tubes. Some people have longer arms and torsos than others, thus they feel more at home on longer top tubes. If you buy a bike and feel the geometry is a bit too stretched or cramped, experiment with different stem lengths and setback seatposts before returning or exchanging the frame.
Seat Tube Angle
This is much like the headtube angle except instead of the headtube, it's the angle the seat tube forms with the ground. The seat tube angle affects where the cyclist will be seated on the bike. This affects the rider's alignment with the cranks. A steeper angle moves the hips forward which allows the rider to turn the cranks faster. This is why standing up provides more sprinting power.
Michael “AqueousBeef” Zhao - Pinkbike
#2843
Posted 2009. February 17. - 23:57

A felsõcsõhossz meg olyan dolgokat fog befolyásolni, mint pilótafülke, azaz, hogy kényelmesen ülsz-e a biciklin/mennyire kell elõredõlnöd adott nyereghelyzet mellett. Illetve, ha hosszabb az effektív felsõcsõhossz, akkor ált. rövidebb stucni kell, ami gyorsabb kormányzást jelent, mint egy hasonló, de rövidebb váz és egy hosszabb stucni. Ezen kívül a hosszabb váznak hosszabb a tengelytávja is, mint egy ugyanolyan láncvillával bíró, de rövidebb váznak. Ettõl nagyobb sebességnél stabilabb, de kanyarodást hátráltatja. Stb stb. Elég összetett dolog.
Google?
#2844
Posted 2009. February 17. - 18:13

#2845
Posted 2009. February 17. - 00:24

#2846
Posted 2009. February 17. - 00:04

fuck me, i'm famous!
-- Go ahead, Droids! --->
#2847
Posted 2009. February 16. - 23:48

de ez csak egy példa volt. sok dh vázat lehetne linkelni 300ért.
#2848
Posted 2009. February 16. - 23:45

:puke:
RAUH-Welt
B E G R I F F
#2849
Posted 2009. February 16. - 23:43

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...2|39:1|240:1318
300ért azért jóval több lehetõség van, mint az a kettõ
#2850
Posted 2009. February 16. - 23:39


kabbe
remélem Kaposi kitalál valami recesszió mentes árat

rocsi
300
fuck me, i'm famous!
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#2851
Posted 2009. February 16. - 23:38

ezek maradtak versenyben
giant glory dh
duncon cane corso
esetleg valami használtan
tamaska-n keresztül egy 4 hónapos IH sunday...
mennyi a keret?
#2852
Posted 2009. February 16. - 23:36

szerinted at akarom elni azt a traumat megegyszer?!

vegyel gloryt az jo lesz.
RAUH-Welt
B E G R I F F
#2853
Posted 2009. February 16. - 23:33

giant glory dh
duncon cane corso
esetleg valami használtan
tamaska-n keresztül egy 4 hónapos IH sunday...

fuck me, i'm famous!
-- Go ahead, Droids! --->
#2854
Posted 2009. February 16. - 23:33

RAUH-Welt
B E G R I F F
#2855
Posted 2009. February 16. - 22:54

Mit érhet egy ilyen nitaniumos pyxis váz tip-top állapotban?
Maga a váz vehetõ, nem volt vele gond?
#2856
Posted 2009. February 16. - 22:06

szimplán hanyattvágja.
lapos fejcsõszög, magas monoblokkház
vmelyik Bikemagosnak Duke-kal volt
azért szerintem elvisel egy 80-100 közötti villát is
de lehet kapni még ilyet egyáltalán?
#2857
Posted 2009. February 16. - 21:54


#2858
Posted 2009. February 16. - 21:43

#2859
Posted 2009. February 16. - 21:41

errõl vélemény?
baszott olcsó lenne...
http://duncon.com/in...7&kat=dane_tech
ha ezzel meglátlak, jól kiröhöglek.
#2860
Posted 2009. February 16. - 21:40

Szóval az irányíthatóságot hogy fogja befolyásolni?
'A gépjármûvezetõ nem ellenség, a közúti közlekedés nem háború, ebbõl következõen a helyváltoztatás nem túlélési gyakorlat!'
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